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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Undercall multiway
Last post by Guillaume Gleize - January 15, 2025, 09:16:39 PMHello!
Did I understand correctly the UNDERCALL with no verbal declaration:
1) Check + Open bet + Fold + Call + Undercall > THE UNDERCALL MUST BE COMPLETED
(because here we only face the open bet, even after the first call that changes nothing right?)
2) Check + Open bet + Fold + Raise + Undercall > THE UNDERCALL CAN BE COMPLETED OR FORFEIT
(because here we don't face only the open bet but multiple bets right?)
3) Big Blind + Fold + Raise + Undercall > THE UNDERCALL CAN BE COMPLETED OR FORFEIT
(because the Big Blind is actually an Open bet right?)
Conclusion (if I'm right) : The most numerous cases oblige to complete the Undercall.
Finally only the raises can give the choice to forfeit the Undercall.
Tell me ...
Did I understand correctly the UNDERCALL with no verbal declaration:
1) Check + Open bet + Fold + Call + Undercall > THE UNDERCALL MUST BE COMPLETED
(because here we only face the open bet, even after the first call that changes nothing right?)
2) Check + Open bet + Fold + Raise + Undercall > THE UNDERCALL CAN BE COMPLETED OR FORFEIT
(because here we don't face only the open bet but multiple bets right?)
3) Big Blind + Fold + Raise + Undercall > THE UNDERCALL CAN BE COMPLETED OR FORFEIT
(because the Big Blind is actually an Open bet right?)
Conclusion (if I'm right) : The most numerous cases oblige to complete the Undercall.
Finally only the raises can give the choice to forfeit the Undercall.
Tell me ...
#2
Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Sitting after the first ca...
Last post by Guillaume Gleize - December 27, 2024, 11:45:21 PMQuote from: Dave Miller on December 27, 2024, 11:21:37 PMQuote from: Guillaume Gleize on December 27, 2024, 09:55:07 PMNobody around?Yep. This forum does not get much activity.
I deal in a bar league where we keep it friendly. I'd be using option 2. Hell, I'd even back it up if seat C did get a card.
But official TDA rule/procedure? Dunno.
Anyway TY for the answer Dave.
Happy to read an human being around here!
#3
Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Sitting after the first ca...
Last post by Dave Miller - December 27, 2024, 11:21:37 PMQuote from: Guillaume Gleize on December 27, 2024, 09:55:07 PMNobody around?Yep. This forum does not get much activity.
I deal in a bar league where we keep it friendly. I'd be using option 2. Hell, I'd even back it up if seat C did get a card.
But official TDA rule/procedure? Dunno.
#4
Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Sitting after the first ca...
Last post by Guillaume Gleize - December 27, 2024, 09:55:07 PMNobody around?
#5
Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Sitting after the first card i...
Last post by Guillaume Gleize - December 25, 2024, 05:50:03 PMHello!
In a poker tournament:
Player A has placed his SB
Seat B is free
Player C has placed his BB
The dealer only deals the very first card to A and at this moment a player comes to sit at B.
What is the procedure:
1) The first card being given, the deal has started, B does not play and C remains BB?
2) B must place the BB and play and C recovers his BB and will be UTG?
TY in advance - GG
In a poker tournament:
Player A has placed his SB
Seat B is free
Player C has placed his BB
The dealer only deals the very first card to A and at this moment a player comes to sit at B.
What is the procedure:
1) The first card being given, the deal has started, B does not play and C remains BB?
2) B must place the BB and play and C recovers his BB and will be UTG?
TY in advance - GG
#6
Event structuring / Re: How Do You Manage Bounties...
Last post by Dave Miller - December 13, 2024, 10:28:28 PMI've played in such a tournament online where the math and tracking is automatic and easy, but I've never even heard of this being done live. The tracking and security issues seem like a nightmare.
I'm just spitballing here, but here's my idea:
Instead of bounty chips, give each player an All In button (so that those players who like to toss in the bounty chip to indicate they are all in will have a something to toss in), and a bounty slip with the starting bounty value.
When a player is eliminated, he and the player who eliminated him turn in their bounty slips.
The dealer, or floor person, gives the player a new bounty slip with the new value written on it, as well as a cash out slip for the portion that they keep.
If the player has additional knockouts, they will also turn in the cash slip to get a new cash slip with their new cash total.
In this manner, there doesn't need to be excessive rounding.
You'll probably have to use three part forms and have other security protocols etc. to get gaming to approve it, but that's my thoughts.
I'm just spitballing here, but here's my idea:
Instead of bounty chips, give each player an All In button (so that those players who like to toss in the bounty chip to indicate they are all in will have a something to toss in), and a bounty slip with the starting bounty value.
When a player is eliminated, he and the player who eliminated him turn in their bounty slips.
The dealer, or floor person, gives the player a new bounty slip with the new value written on it, as well as a cash out slip for the portion that they keep.
If the player has additional knockouts, they will also turn in the cash slip to get a new cash slip with their new cash total.
In this manner, there doesn't need to be excessive rounding.
You'll probably have to use three part forms and have other security protocols etc. to get gaming to approve it, but that's my thoughts.
#7
Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Talking at the table when ...
Last post by Al1_FFPA - December 13, 2024, 03:51:28 PMThanks for the answers, I'm ok that Rule 67 is enough for precise talking and may be not enough for general speculation...
And thanks for the youtube research, I didn't remember this one !
And thanks for the youtube research, I didn't remember this one !
#8
Event structuring / Re: How Do You Manage Bounties...
Last post by BROOKS - December 12, 2024, 03:17:44 AMHere is an example where bounty amount is $100:
All players are given 4 x $25 cash value chips
Players must immediately give the Dealer their $100 in $25 value chips.
These Bounties will be kept in the Dealer's tray (banked bounty) until either paid out or the player moves tables
When a player is eliminated, half of the eliminated player's banked bounty will be given to the player that knocked them out. The other half will be added to the winning player's banked bounty therefore increasing the value of their bounty
Any time that a bounty's dollar amount is not able to be evenly divided using $25 green value chips, the amounts will be rounded up in favour of the winning player's banked bounty
In the event that a bounty is being split between multiple players (ie. split pot) the won bounty will be divided evenly between the winning players' banked bounties and value pocketed. Should dollar amounts need to be rounded they will be rounded up to favour the players' banked bounty. Should there be a situation where the bounty amount being pocketed between multiple players cannot be divided equally, the extra $25 green value chip will be awarded to the player closest to the button.
#9
Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Talking at the table when ...
Last post by Dave Miller - December 10, 2024, 12:18:23 AMI wish the rule would include something that prohibits players from general speculation.
Occasionally, after the betting is done and before/during the showdown, someone not even in the hand will remark, "Who has the [suit]?" or something similar.
I say to not talk about it until it's over which generally gets comments that the betting is over and there's no more action.
I have to remind them that the action isn't over until all hands are face up or in the muck.
If a player accidentally mucks a winner, that's their problem.
Lastly, I tell them to do a YouTube search for 'Phil Ivey folds a flush.' If someone at that table made a comment, Phil wouldn't have folded.
Occasionally, after the betting is done and before/during the showdown, someone not even in the hand will remark, "Who has the [suit]?" or something similar.
I say to not talk about it until it's over which generally gets comments that the betting is over and there's no more action.
I have to remind them that the action isn't over until all hands are face up or in the muck.
If a player accidentally mucks a winner, that's their problem.
Lastly, I tell them to do a YouTube search for 'Phil Ivey folds a flush.' If someone at that table made a comment, Phil wouldn't have folded.
#10
Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Talking at the table when ...
Last post by BROOKS - December 09, 2024, 10:07:06 PMEtiquette and penalties
67: No Disclosure. One Player to a Hand
Players must protect other players in the tournament at all times. Therefore players, whether in the hand or not, must not:
1. Discuss contents of live or mucked hands,
2. Advise or criticize play at any time,
3. Read a hand that hasn't been tabled.
One-player-to-a-hand is in effect. Among other things, this rule prohibits showing a hand to or discussing strategy with another player, advisor, or spectator.
67: No Disclosure. One Player to a Hand
Players must protect other players in the tournament at all times. Therefore players, whether in the hand or not, must not:
1. Discuss contents of live or mucked hands,
2. Advise or criticize play at any time,
3. Read a hand that hasn't been tabled.
One-player-to-a-hand is in effect. Among other things, this rule prohibits showing a hand to or discussing strategy with another player, advisor, or spectator.