KO + R/A

[Pietro3000]

Hello,

A request from a customer was to set a KO tournament but also allowing R/A. 

The one that will take the bounty is whoever eliminate the player the last, even if the player may be zero out multiple times and allowed to R/A within a grace period.

This sort of structure may lead to other players complaints, do you guys thing that R/A  can or cannot be compatible with KO format. Should we forced make players to pay for the bounty if zero out.

Or should I dis encourage the  customer to apply such mix formats.

Regards 

[Dave Miller]

You can allow rebuys, but the rebuy must include a new bounty, with the original bounty going to the player that knocked him out.

Add-ons should only be allowed at the time of the buy-in or rebuy.

[BillM16]

Pietro,

As we all know, the TDA does not provide official rules or guidelines on bounty tournaments. 

IMO:  Tournament structures can include bounties, reentries, rebuys, add-ons, etc., in as many varieties as one can imagine. Obviously, most important is that tournament rules and structure are made very clear before players enter the tournament.  Of course, finding a structure that pleases all players is likely impossible. 

Most often, (as Dave said above,) a bounty is included with each rebuy or reentry.  However, I have seen rebuy tournaments where only at the end of the rebuy period an additional add-on/bounty is offered to those who are still in the tournament.  To win a bounty, one must have purchased the add-on/bounty.  If a bounty player is busted by a non-bounty player, the bounty chip is carried into subsequent pots until a bounty player wins.  This format is similar (but different) to a last-longer prop bet.

[Motobaka72]

We used to run a KO with rebuys, but it was not very popular.  Each rebuy gave a new bounty.  For example, if a person had a buy in they got a KO chip and if they bought a rebuy while they still had chips they were given an extra KO chip.  A player could then have a lot of KO chips. 

Player with buy in 1 KO chip

Player loses some chips, so he may rebuy then he gets a second KO chip
Players now has 2 KO chips

Player loses enough chips to be able to make a new rebuy, so he gets a third KO chip
Player now has 3 KO chips

If he does not lose all his chips he can continue to accumulate KO chips.

If he loses all his chips and makes a rebuy then all his previous KO chips go to the person that won his chips. 

[Dave Miller]

I once played in a charity event with a rebuy option, but here's the twist: You only give up your bounty if you choose to not rebuy (or after the rebuy period). It was VERY unpopular. After all, a player could be making a play in hopes of winning the bounty, then when the short stack loses, have the option of not surrendering that bounty? I never played at that charity's events again.

I.E. If you're felted, you must give up the bounty. If you then elect to rebuy, you must also buy a new bounty chip.

Moto: I don't see your system being popular at all. Plus it's a nightmare in keeping track of the bounties. How can you tell which bounty chips are those the player won and can keep vs those that are part of an add-on which must be surrendered? Additionally, a player with multiple live bounty chips becomes a bigger target.

No. I'll repeat what I said before: Add-ons are only allowed when buying in, or at the end of the re-buy period. And they don't include an additional bounty.

[Motobaka72]

Moto: I don't see your system being popular at all.

You are correct it wasn't, but it did have its followers.  Too few to keep it running though.

Plus it's a nightmare in keeping track of the bounties. How can you tell which bounty chips are those the player won and can keep vs those that are part of an add-on which must be surrendered?

Bountys from eliminated players are payed immediately with a cash chip. Dealer takes care of this and announces it to the floor.

Additionally, a player with multiple live bounty chips becomes a bigger target.

Correct, that was the idea.  Like a Progressive Knock Out.

[Max D]

Same comment as above when I ran a bounty tourney the bounty money was included in the buy-in & rebuys.  No add-ons.